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The Biggest Shock of 2008
2008-01-31 20:51
by Scott Long

Sure we are just done with one month, but the voting booth might as well be closed on the most shocking event of the year. On Hannity and Colmes, Ann Coutler announced that she will campaign for Hillary Clinton, if John McCain is the candidate. No really. Watch the video. If Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter can lose their mind over the guy, is it any wonder that I have always liked McCain so much. The second biggest shocker of the year is in the same video, as at the end Alan Colmes demonstrates great timing and is very funny. Truthfully, this incident is the first time I've ever watched Hannity and Colmes and thoroughly enjoyed it. I like the new format, where Ann Coutler fills in for Colmes, as she is far better at ripping Republicans than him, when she wants to do it.

Is it just me or does Ann Coulter kind of look like a hot chick, except for having a John Kerry-like face?



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2008-01-31 21:44:53
1.   Xeifrank
She's not a hot chick in any way shape or form. Also, I don't think it matters who she endorses. I think her endorsement is the kind of endorsement that a candidate does not want to have. Kind of like having David Duke or Al Sharpton endorse you.
vr, Xei
2008-01-31 23:10:10
2.   underdog
Ann Coulter is the anti-Christ. She just takes the form of a "hot chick" (even though, no, I don't find her so) just to get young fratty republicans all hot and bothered and distracted from reality or the truth. Anyway, you're a braver man than I - can't watch Hannity and Colmes at this point unless I was strapped to a chair at Guantanamo and had no choice.
2008-01-31 23:25:03
3.   Chyll Will
Yunnow, it's so easy to take shots at mAnn Coulter. Yep. soooo easy...

easy like Sunday morning... mmm-hmm...

...but much more fulfilling to just ignore. >;)

2008-01-31 23:54:02
4.   ScoobyGoo
she also has a bigger adam's apple than he does..
2008-02-01 03:42:21
5.   JL25and3
4 Never mind the horse face, or the adam's apple, or even how bony and scrawny she is.

Check out those hands: They're not even man hands, she's obviously an alien.

2008-02-01 08:29:20
6.   mehmattski
According to CNN, Coulter would vote for Hillary Clinton over John McCain, saying that Clinton is "more conservative" and would be better for the war on terrorism.

(head explodes)

2008-02-01 13:59:13
7.   Chyll Will
6 I thought only Matpat could do that >;) (lest anyone was concerned about my sanity, I meant ignore her >;)
2008-02-01 14:46:46
8.   Penarol1916
She is a brilliant performance artist and great at getting a rise out of people. You've got to appreciate her schtick. I really don't understand why people find her hot though, that woman is just ridiculously scrawny.
2008-02-01 15:48:47
9.   Scott Long
A few years back, she used to look good, except for the John Kerry face. Lately she has become more anorexic in her appearance and has lost the heat she might have had. I'm really waiting for the expose done on her personal life, as I suspect it would be pretty interesting to read. Why do I think amyl nitrate poppers and a strap-on are involved?
2008-02-01 17:48:53
10.   Chyll Will
9 I'm rooting for implosion. Amyl nitrate poppers + strap-on = quark express?
2008-02-01 20:41:00
11.   JasonO
She's an Al Franken of the right, but like Franken at least she has the chutzpah to flame people in her own camp based on principles. McCain is a Republican in name only...check Tom Daschle's recent publicized comments (validated by a McCain staffer) that McCain was discussing with Dem Senate leaders about switching parties in 2001.

It's obvious why Long loves McCain...they're both obviously left of center while transparently professing their "independence."

2008-02-01 21:29:41
12.   jgpyke
Conservatives feel the same way about McCain that liberals feel about Lieberman.

McCain beats Hillary, but Obama beats McCain.

2008-02-01 22:01:06
13.   Suffering Bruin
11 Ann Coulter is vicious. She's hateful. All in the name of fun.

Al Franken is funny. There's a big difference between the two.

2008-02-01 23:29:07
14.   Scott Long
I'm left of center because I believe in the right to choose and that trickle down economics are a joke propagated on the middle class by the greedy.

McCain is right of center, but the campaign finance thing makes Republicans crazy.

I thought we should have never went into Iraq without a real coalition of nations, like we had in Gulf War 1. McCain thinks we should be there 10-100 years or whatever it takes. The surge has worked to a certain extent, but I since I believe in some type of fiscal sanity, I don't believe we can continue to afford to spend hundreds of billions in Iraq.

I agree with McCain that we need to cut pork out of gov't, but it won't be long when nearly 80% of our budget will be made up of entitlement programs and military spending, so getting on top of these expenditures is where the real tough decisions need to be made. His blank check notion for the military is why I won't vote for him over Clinton or Obama.

It is weird to me that I can dislike Lieberman so much and he can be one of McCain's best friends. McCain is far from being my perfect candidate, but I really respect the hell our of the guy for being willing to stick his finger in the eye of the establishment. He would prove to be the most unique president to lead this country since Teddy Roosevelt. Not sure that would be great, but it would very interesting.

Al Franken is a lot more moderate than Ann Coulter. He is a lot more funny. I genuinely hate what Coulter has to offer, but I have to give her credit for having a big set of balls.

2008-02-02 10:16:46
15.   jgpyke
The fact that McAmnesty* is the Democrats' favorite Republican and darling of the NYT doesn't excite the GOP base a whole lot. Gang of 14. McCain-Feingold. Etc.

*For the record, I don't care about amnesty or not.

2008-02-02 10:31:13
16.   jgpyke
14. "the right to choose"

For many of us, this means, "the right to kill."

Why do women grieve miscarriages? Why don't they jump for joy after an abortion? After all, they are only "exercising their 'right to choose.'"

I know this kind of argument has no traction around here, so I apologize if this post seems troll-ish. It really isn't. Just flying my LIFE flag.

2008-02-02 12:56:14
17.   Scott Long
I don't condemn your point of view, as I completely understand the belief that it is murder. As someone who has had to go through some pretty extreme lengths to conceive a child, I do value the sanctity of life. I just don't think making abortion illegal makes sense, as people will get them one way or the other. Back room abortions are not a better solution. I was born to 2 teenage parents who were not equipped to have a child. Much of my childhood was pretty grim. Abortion is not an easy issue for me to feel any kind of moral absolutes about, but I am certain that making it illegal isn't going to work.
2008-02-02 17:42:35
18.   Jeb
16 its ANTI-choice, not pro-life. I'm quite certain that you're okay with us bombing iraqi's in the name of oil (and W's retribution), or frying someone on death row. In any event, the right is happy to shut down clinics but then don't believe in welfare to support the children of poor people.
2008-02-02 19:51:45
19.   jgpyke
18. Two can play that game. It's ANTI-life, not pro-choice. Or is it pro-DEATH and not pro-life. And the rest of your BS is based on fallacies. FWIW, I am pretty much against the death penalty, but guilt and innocence do separate the two arguments.

17. Scott, we went through great lengths, too. Hearing that first sonogram. Wow. "That's my daughter in there." (And not, "Interesting...that lump of tissue seems to be making some kind of noise."

I think the pro-abortion lobby's greatest achievement has been to foist the notion of "choice" as the issue. They have won the word battle so far. Double-plus-ungood.

2008-02-02 19:55:23
20.   jgpyke
Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention the eugenics. Look it up, Jeb. Are you down with that? Plenty of abortion clinics where the po-folks live.
2008-02-02 22:22:45
21.   chris in illinois
20 That's a lousy you really think that abortion is a eugenics conspiracy?? I'm the only person I know that has had an unplanned pregnancy (rather my wife) and we can afford to feed, clothe and care for her. I imagine that most abortion decisions are ultimately based upon availability of resources, so it's not surprising that the clinics exist where resources are scarce.

FWIW, the anti-choice crowd would resonate with me more loudly if they were as concerned with humans who have already been born. I realize that everyday joe's probably do care about the folks who have been born, but the political leaders of the pro-life movement certainly don't seem to be all that interested in you once you've been born.

2008-02-03 06:15:06
22.   StolenMonkey86
the eugenics
Well to be fair the study about crime and abortion in Freakonomics does suggest that people born to demographics that statistically would be more likely to commit crimes were most of the people aborted, although you'd have to be a bit of a conspiracy nut to go that far. It'd be sort of like the movie Hot Fuzz.

bombing iraqi's in the name of oil
Were this legitimately the objective, then the Iraq war really was stupid. We could have taken over Venezuala much more easily.

Politically I'm a bit right of center with a strong libertarian streak (something like (6,-1) on That means I don't really like any of the candidates. Ron Paul's not quite stable enough for my taste, although I appreciate the idea of an old dude rallying young Republicans around him (he's the most popular Republican on Facebook!). Now, I just ask for politics to amuse me, and it finally stopped letting me down.

2008-02-03 09:09:40
23.   Suffering Bruin
Politically I'm a bit right of center with a strong libertarian streak (something like (6,-1) on

I just took that test. From this day forth, I'd like you all to refer to me as "mahatma." Thank you. Namaste.

2008-02-03 13:30:54
24.   Jeb
19 "18. Two can play that game. It's ANTI-life, not pro-choice. Or is it pro-DEATH and not pro-life."

Yeah, you got us all right. Congratulations - The pro choice movement isn't about keeping women safe from back alley abortions, its not about allowing women who are raped or victims of incest to have a CHOICE, its literally about how many fetuses can be aborted for no other reason than to piss you off.

Seriously, you must live and breathe Anne coulter if you think the pro choice movement's goal is to get every woman to abort. That's the most absurd thing I've ever read. If a woman chooses to have a baby, I support that choice and so do all pro-choicers.

Why don't you just go lie in front of the clinic tomorrow and spare me? People like you inspire people like Eric Rudolph.

2008-02-03 14:13:27
25.   Suffering Bruin
Whenever someone speaks out against abortion, the defense usually has something to do with back-alley's, rapes and coat hangers.

I'm going to try to make the argument that perfectly healthy women in consensual relationships should have the option for abortion. In other words, the choice.

jgpyke, the sonogram moment is wonderful. Many parents, including me, experienced it and will never, ever forget it. Neither will we forget the pregnancy test that came up blue. But here's the thing--that moment is going to be very different for someone who has an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. It's in that moment--and this goes for abortion oppenents who just might be having sex and just might be using a condom that will hopefully not break--that the words "abortion is murder" become instead "let's look at our options."

A guy named Tom Boggonio (TBogg) wrote the following: "That's called "choice" and a lot of people have fought so that you could have it even though you think you'll never need it."

He's right. You can't understand how anyone could make that choice. And that is your choice. Let's allow people the same freedom you enjoy--to make the choice of what is best for them and their bodies.

2008-02-03 14:26:52
26.   chris in illinois
23 Took the test as well (-2.5,-5), Greetings brother, looks like I should brush up on my sanskrit as well.
2008-02-03 21:41:52
27.   StolenMonkey86
I like how there are no politicians in my portion.
2008-02-04 05:36:03
28.   jgpyke
To Jeb and whoever else is pro-abortion,

The best way to explain my position would be for you to look at the link I gave, the libertarian position for life. I would also say that I believe that life begins at conception. Therefore, that is pretty much the end of the argument for me, and your talk of "rights" and "coat hangers" and so forth doesn't really move me. All such arguments are after the fact.

Look, I understand your position. I just don't agree with it. But that doesn't make me Eric Rudolph. WTF?

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." Ronald Reagan

2008-02-04 09:55:10
29.   chris in illinois
28 We may not see eye to eye politically, but your not fucking Eric Rudolph. There are reasonable people on both sides of the discussion.

If life begins at conception, Nature (or God if you prefer) sure ends a lot of it early. Some obstetricians estimate that as many as 1/3 of all pregnancies are 'lost' before the woman even knows she's pregnant. If one believes that at conception the embryo is imbued with a soul there sure are a lot of souls that naturally never saw the light of day (literally).

FWIW, while I believe in choice, I can't imagine making that particular choice myself. To expand on my previous point, I still would like to see more conservatives talk about programs for children who are in lousy situations through no fault of their own.

2008-02-04 10:03:11
30.   chris in illinois
28 Also I'm not 'pro-abortion', as I just mentioned, I couldn't imagine not having my four kids around me, but it's not my job to run anyone else's life. I'm not saying that this isn't complicated----I feel that there's a big difference between a first trimester abortion and one later on. I can't give anyone a date and time, but IMO there is a point where the collection of cells that the woman is carrying around becomes a baby---and it's not upon birth.

It's a fine line.

Politics isn't very well suited to fine lines.

2008-02-04 10:33:24
31.   jgpyke
29. Actually, I do believe that all of these lost pregnancies have souls. Then again, I am a Jesus freak and proud of it. And while these two verses are not exhaustive, I think Jeremiah 1:5 and Luke 1:41 sum up a lot of my beliefs.

I agree that reasonable people disagree. I also know that nothing anyone here says would change my mind or vice versa. But I like to have hope. For example, the libertarians for life thing is a very principled argument: while it didn't change my mind, it gave me a lot to think about.

And I never got back to you about the eugenics thing, but Margaret Sanger was a big-time eugenicist. Planned Parenthood is a huge business. In the 'hood. Maybe it's just guilt-by-association in my mind. Or maybe it's just the free market.

2008-02-04 11:16:36
32.   chris in illinois
31 The founders of many organizations and companies have less than savory pasts. They are by and large products of their eras. If the current head of PP was a eugenicist, then you'd have a point.

I'm all for zero abortions, but I think prevention should be the path rather than hoping to overcome the biological urges of humans through happy thoughts.

I'm not a Jesus freak, so I do find it curious that so many pregnancies get terminated naturally which according to your beliefs means that a significant number of souls in Heaven were 'alive' for about a month. Do some math, and there must be billions of souls that were 'alive' in the womb for about 30 days. Seriously, I'm not mocking, more like looking for an explanation---Just strikes me as odd.

Again, glad to have a civil conversaton.

2008-02-04 11:26:16
33.   jgpyke

I really have no easy answer on that, nor would I presume to know the will of God. I like to think that my beliefs are consistent within a God-based framework, but this does not presuppose that they are correct. If you know what I mean.

I would say that there is no reason for me to not believe that there could be (or are) billions such souls. We have many billions of living people on this finite planet as we speak.

2008-02-04 11:51:14
34.   chris in illinois

Truly, I didn't pose the question to be a smart-ass. It's just one of the many reasons why faith is hard for me to wrap my head around. While I have my grave, grave doubts as to the veracity of religion, I, too, do not assume that I must be right.

2008-02-04 16:14:37
35.   Jeb
28 29 What I really hate about the anti-choice crowd is that they take your actual words and then twist them until they mean something else.

1. I'm not "pro-abortion". I'm pro choice. I don't want people to get abortions, I want them to have the right to choose to do what they want. There's a distinction. Frankly, there's no point arguing with someone who cannot understand that.

2. I never wrote that you "ARE" Eric Rudolph. What I wrote was (and I'll quote myself): "People like you inspire people like Eric Rudolph." Once again, there's a distinction. And I stand by the comment. People in the religious right, who see absolutely no gray area, inspire people in the outer extreme, people like Eric Rudolph.

You have your individual beliefs and that's fine. If you choose to post them online, then expect someone to disagree. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me if it's simply based on the merit of the argument.

But it's unsatisfactory for you if I have beliefs that are not exactly the same as yours. You refuse to stick to the merits of any argument. Rather, you first have to tell me why your beliefs are superior to mine. Then, in a sinister fashion, you have to MISREPRESENT the truth in terms of what I actually wrote and what I believe. I have to "Fit" into your category of people that are pro-choice to make your arguments work. We have to be "pro-abortion" (abort them all, you would have us claim) because it's much easier philosophically to take on someone with extreme views on the left than to take on someone who's views are closer to the middle. So, as pro-choicers we have to be advocating something that's much worse ("abort them all") than what you are advocating ("ban abortion").

But, if we advocate something that's different than what you want us to seek (i.e., what we really want, which is to allow women the right to choose), then you're threatened by the possibility that the majority of people might see that as the reasonable solution than your more extreme solution. Anyway, I hope that you can understand this and be able to not "quote" by simply making up things I have not written.

Isn't there a commandment about lying (and you did lie about what I wrote) and one about bearing false witness (and you did bear false witness against me)? I could have sworn I saw commandments prohibting what you've done....I also seem to remember some quote about all sins being equal in the eyes of God. So, IF that's true (and feel free to disagree) wouldn't lying about a pro-choice poster's quote be as bad as actually performing an abortion? Just wondering

2008-02-04 16:30:07
36.   jgpyke
35. Dude, get over yourself. Pot, meet kettle.
2008-02-04 16:58:24
37.   chris in illinois
35 Obviously I sympathize with your position, I just don't think that people who believe that in their heart of hearts that abortion is wrong 'inspire' fucking nutjobs like Eric Rudolph. Whether or not jgpyke supports abortion or not, he didn't influence Rudolph. Millions and millions of people oppose the right to choose and almost none of them choose violence.

I have no use for any religion, but in 2008 the Christian extremist can't hold a candle to the Muslim extremist in the crazy=ass violence category.

2008-02-04 17:27:41
38.   jgpyke
34. I didn't take your post as being smart-assed.

37. As for those who believe in their heart of hears that abortion is wrong, I've seen poll data that shows that a majority of Americans believe it is wrong (and a majority even called it "murder")...but these same people think it should be legal. My point is, it's a tangled mess.

2008-02-04 19:20:38
39.   Jeb
36 yeah, you know all about that. I haven't Misquoted you once but if I write something, you misrepresent what I've written. Its part of the big lie that's the religious right. You're part of the lie. You are the lie.
2008-02-04 19:27:38
40.   jgpyke
Why are you so angry, Jeb? Is your blood pressure OK?
2008-02-04 22:17:46
41.   Scott Long
Just another boring baseball blog argument on abortion.

I've always had this idea of a bumper sticker which says
I Have Opinions on Abortion
This Is NOT the Place for them

In a world with traffic jams, I just don't think the bumper of your car is a good place to put your ideology on Roe v Wade. Now the comments section at the Juice Blog...great place to have it least as far as I'm concerned.

2008-02-05 17:47:25
42.   Jeb
40 well I'm not particularly angry, but I'm tired of having someone say that I wrote A when I actually wrote B (or that I stand for A when I stand for B)

But that's okay because your lies about what I've written on here are easy to figure out.

I'm happy to agree to disagree about the actual issue, abortion, but you're still a liar. Sorry but its true.

2008-02-05 17:48:01
43.   Jeb
40 well I'm not particularly angry, but I'm tired of having someone say that I wrote A when I actually wrote B (or that I stand for A when I stand for B)

But that's okay because your lies about what I've written on here are easy to figure out.

I'm happy to agree to disagree about the actual issue, abortion, but you're still a liar. Sorry but its true.

2008-02-05 19:10:21
44.   jgpyke

Point out where I said, "Jeb says..." and then quote you on it. I didn't. You are wrong.

And in terms of proportionality, you have gone completely ape over all of this. Your nearly 500-word screed was quite revealing. Obviously, you have a huge chip on your shoulder. So I apologize for touching such a nerve.

I mean, I can dissect it all for you, defend myself, and prove you "wrong," which would be easy to do. But my posts speak for themselves. I stand by every word.

But you might want to put some ice on that elbow. It's gotta be sore from patting yourself on the back.

2008-02-05 21:54:26
45.   Schteeve
13 Franken is hateful too, he just hates people it's ok to hate. But believe me, he HATES plenty of people. He's a pretty bitter dude.
2008-02-06 05:46:00
46.   williamnyy23
41 A blog of any kind is not the place for a debate on abortion. The issue is way too sensitive for an impersonal medium. What usually happens is the you wind up with posts like 42 and 43 that veer from the topic and resort to ad hominem attacks based on insecurity.

14 Al Franken is funny??

2008-02-06 13:48:53
47.   El Lay Dave
The Biggest Shock of 2008 has been replaced. The FJM guys have unveiled themselves!
2008-02-06 14:42:57
48.   Scott Long
I try to make this blog as responsible as possible. I don't think it is an impersonal medium, as different viewpoints here can bring new thoughts to me and hopefully others, as well. I don't mind a little swinging at each other. I find when someone is doing it unfairly, they will usually get whacked by the mob here.

I think Al Franken is funny.

2008-02-06 17:24:01
49.   Suffering Bruin
46 Are you talin' to me? I think you're really talkin' to me! :)

My larger point, beyond debating the quality of Franken's comedic talents, was that Coulter revels in exactly the kind of rhetoric that you seem to feel is out of place.

I take your point that because of anonymity, people can and do say degrading things about other people but like 48 said, this ain't the place for that.

2008-02-06 17:47:22
50.   chris in illinois
It has to be obvious by now that Coulter is a Grad student at Berkeley or some such place who is simultaneously making a big pile of cash while completing her doctorate in sociology.

She's an actress.

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2008-02-06 18:23:16
51.   El Lay Dave
50 Actor. Perhaps a descendant of Ted Cassidy's.
2008-02-11 19:31:43
52.   Jeb
44 certainly. You wrote that I'm pro abortion. I'm not. I'm pro choice.

46 the ad hominem attacks were his, not mine. If someone lies about what I write and I point it out, it's hardly an ad hominem attack.

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